Assuming the jets run away with the central, are there any guys you see getting time at the end of the season as AHL callups. I wish this staff did it more but I halfway am happy roope gets a week off after that puck to the face so he’s not on fumes for the playoffs. A fresh miro in the playoffs could also be fantastic, Tyler too (no Tippecanoe this time though)
Blumel. Dude's been on an absolute heater. Not my favorite player because he's so one-dimensional, but he's been executing that one dimension to perfection.
The 23 line makes sense, though maybe it could make sense to go 23-f, 24-d, 25-g. You said it yourself in the notes that goalies should get the extra runway. The 24 for d is for consistency and because the Dallas pool is pretty shallow.
Before my brain became addled (nerve pain meds), I would have had a lengthy discourse over IQ. The short version is how the term is used in hockey vs spatial awareness. Avoiding how it relates in real life (away from the rink), think of it as not just reading the play around you, but knowing what and how it will work out before it develops. Hockey IQ (to me) is spatial awareness applied to more than what you see in a moment in time, it's seeing ahead in time and seeing multiple outcomes.
I played inline hockey with a former NHL player and a few others who had similar levels of skill. (Sadly I was not one of the physically talented.) One kid (maybe 20yrs old) asked him "How do you decide what to do during a play"? I did my best not to laugh as the player politely said what even I already knew. "If you have to think, it's too late."
I have coached a couple of kids who had that level of thought for hockey, many call it instinct. I've known some adults (IRL) who have it too. I've known many more people who have a very high IQ "number" rating, but have trouble using that brain power to do much of anything.
I'll keep it short then (and sorry to hear). If we agree that athletic intelligence is a different kind of intelligence...then why not call it athletic quotient? Seems silly to not only use the wrong language, but to further stereotype players into bins of "smart" versus "dumb."
The word I use to separate players is the mental skill they possess above their competition…
Anticipation
It’s not innate. It’s ONLY learned thru years and years of serious detailed observation and study.
They read plays, situations, opponents, teammates, and opportunities, just FASTER. They don’t have the BE faster. They ARE faster at decision making, giving them a head start.
It IS a mental advantage that gives them an edge. Gretzky was diagraming game puck movements as a kid. One end of the anticipation scale. Physical skill helps, but isn’t enough.
Not sure if you're agreeing or not so this may or may not be directed at you.
To me, that's the thing though. It still has to manifest itself physically. Mental intelligence has to manifest itself in a stew of divergent thinking, recall, knowledge, knowledge application, etc. So does athletic quotient: passing, play processing, shooting, transition, etc.
This is what always bothered me about the Denis Gurianov stuff. I hated seeing shit about him not having it "between the ears" and what not. I know some of these were not meant as criticisms of his on-ice play, and not him being hockey dumb. But this notion of hockey dumb still strikes me as regressive in terms of player analysis, since it speaks to these descriptions as either/or traits.
I'd also argue that a lot of player traits are inherently teammate-dependent. The best players tend to play with the best players. For most of hockey's history, depth players and prospects weren't given a chance to learn with good players. They had to learn with goons, and grinders. Even now, size still gets prioritized, and players largely develop inside a defense-oriented paradigm.
If I don’t study chemistry, I am relatively “dumb” compared to chemistry “savants”. Savants got that way by spending intellectual Capitol and time devoted to that specific subject.
Doesn’t make chemistry dummy not smart, just behind in one specific field.
Guri is a great example of an otherwise very smart guy… with all the needed skills, excepting he didn’t have the hockey “anticipation” to compete at the highest level vs. hockey anticipation “savants”. He didn’t know where to go, fast enough. It’s a specific narrow intelligence, like chemistry. He’ll be a hell of a lawyer though!
Agree that the term is used as more of a catch all for higher levels awareness. Hockey sense is the term I use, because while these attributes may shine on the ice, they may have no real world use/correlation.
I’d like to advocate we use a different term that is also overused, horse power. Rank these dudes by hockey horse power. (I jest but HHP would have to take into account minutes which is similar to per60 stats)
I read through Patrick Bacon's NHLe equivalency model as I've always wondered about how the different leagues match up. I was surprised to see how low-rated the NCAA is at .194 vs NHL...! No wonder there's not a lot of NCAA prospects coming out and making it in the NHL....
even looking at the AHL, you can see how it really takes some work to get someone from that league up to NHL standards. Kind of supports Nill's philosophy of giving them time to mature. Of course there are exceptions - some can make the transition quickly but you can still see where they need some maturing...
Damnit! I still won't have him on my ranking next season, but yea. Not sure how I missed that. I wouldn't say it's a reflection per se. I suspect it's just priorities. Dallas has other contracts that are high priority. Perhaps Martino just wants to work a regular job. Or they have a handshake deal, and Martino wants to leave the possibility open of going back home (Canadian born).
In a way the prospect pool might be even more fun the next two years. It'll be filled with high ceiling low floor boom or bust draft picks and FAs. No more safe 1st rounder. We're looking for the next Benn or Klinger.
Assuming the jets run away with the central, are there any guys you see getting time at the end of the season as AHL callups. I wish this staff did it more but I halfway am happy roope gets a week off after that puck to the face so he’s not on fumes for the playoffs. A fresh miro in the playoffs could also be fantastic, Tyler too (no Tippecanoe this time though)
Blumel. Dude's been on an absolute heater. Not my favorite player because he's so one-dimensional, but he's been executing that one dimension to perfection.
The 23 line makes sense, though maybe it could make sense to go 23-f, 24-d, 25-g. You said it yourself in the notes that goalies should get the extra runway. The 24 for d is for consistency and because the Dallas pool is pretty shallow.
That's a solid suggestion.
Before my brain became addled (nerve pain meds), I would have had a lengthy discourse over IQ. The short version is how the term is used in hockey vs spatial awareness. Avoiding how it relates in real life (away from the rink), think of it as not just reading the play around you, but knowing what and how it will work out before it develops. Hockey IQ (to me) is spatial awareness applied to more than what you see in a moment in time, it's seeing ahead in time and seeing multiple outcomes.
I played inline hockey with a former NHL player and a few others who had similar levels of skill. (Sadly I was not one of the physically talented.) One kid (maybe 20yrs old) asked him "How do you decide what to do during a play"? I did my best not to laugh as the player politely said what even I already knew. "If you have to think, it's too late."
I have coached a couple of kids who had that level of thought for hockey, many call it instinct. I've known some adults (IRL) who have it too. I've known many more people who have a very high IQ "number" rating, but have trouble using that brain power to do much of anything.
My superpower is seeing this in people :)
I'll keep it short then (and sorry to hear). If we agree that athletic intelligence is a different kind of intelligence...then why not call it athletic quotient? Seems silly to not only use the wrong language, but to further stereotype players into bins of "smart" versus "dumb."
The word I use to separate players is the mental skill they possess above their competition…
Anticipation
It’s not innate. It’s ONLY learned thru years and years of serious detailed observation and study.
They read plays, situations, opponents, teammates, and opportunities, just FASTER. They don’t have the BE faster. They ARE faster at decision making, giving them a head start.
It IS a mental advantage that gives them an edge. Gretzky was diagraming game puck movements as a kid. One end of the anticipation scale. Physical skill helps, but isn’t enough.
Not sure if you're agreeing or not so this may or may not be directed at you.
To me, that's the thing though. It still has to manifest itself physically. Mental intelligence has to manifest itself in a stew of divergent thinking, recall, knowledge, knowledge application, etc. So does athletic quotient: passing, play processing, shooting, transition, etc.
This is what always bothered me about the Denis Gurianov stuff. I hated seeing shit about him not having it "between the ears" and what not. I know some of these were not meant as criticisms of his on-ice play, and not him being hockey dumb. But this notion of hockey dumb still strikes me as regressive in terms of player analysis, since it speaks to these descriptions as either/or traits.
I'd also argue that a lot of player traits are inherently teammate-dependent. The best players tend to play with the best players. For most of hockey's history, depth players and prospects weren't given a chance to learn with good players. They had to learn with goons, and grinders. Even now, size still gets prioritized, and players largely develop inside a defense-oriented paradigm.
If I don’t study chemistry, I am relatively “dumb” compared to chemistry “savants”. Savants got that way by spending intellectual Capitol and time devoted to that specific subject.
Doesn’t make chemistry dummy not smart, just behind in one specific field.
Guri is a great example of an otherwise very smart guy… with all the needed skills, excepting he didn’t have the hockey “anticipation” to compete at the highest level vs. hockey anticipation “savants”. He didn’t know where to go, fast enough. It’s a specific narrow intelligence, like chemistry. He’ll be a hell of a lawyer though!
Agree that the term is used as more of a catch all for higher levels awareness. Hockey sense is the term I use, because while these attributes may shine on the ice, they may have no real world use/correlation.
I’d like to advocate we use a different term that is also overused, horse power. Rank these dudes by hockey horse power. (I jest but HHP would have to take into account minutes which is similar to per60 stats)
I read through Patrick Bacon's NHLe equivalency model as I've always wondered about how the different leagues match up. I was surprised to see how low-rated the NCAA is at .194 vs NHL...! No wonder there's not a lot of NCAA prospects coming out and making it in the NHL....
even looking at the AHL, you can see how it really takes some work to get someone from that league up to NHL standards. Kind of supports Nill's philosophy of giving them time to mature. Of course there are exceptions - some can make the transition quickly but you can still see where they need some maturing...
Ayrton Martino isn't 23 until September. Also, though, he's unsigned, so that isn't saying much for how the Stars view his development.
Damnit! I still won't have him on my ranking next season, but yea. Not sure how I missed that. I wouldn't say it's a reflection per se. I suspect it's just priorities. Dallas has other contracts that are high priority. Perhaps Martino just wants to work a regular job. Or they have a handshake deal, and Martino wants to leave the possibility open of going back home (Canadian born).
Limiting to folks on your list, Gardiner isn't signed either and his rights are about to go poof. Sorry, idk why my brain collects trivia like this.
On the contrary, I think I need to hire you to be my editor.
In a way the prospect pool might be even more fun the next two years. It'll be filled with high ceiling low floor boom or bust draft picks and FAs. No more safe 1st rounder. We're looking for the next Benn or Klinger.