David, I want you to know that day in day out you have the best Stars/NHL blog of any I have read. I just had to remind you about the Jets! Hehe. Looking at anybody else for captain is just speculating as long as Benn s on the team. When he is gone will it be Johnston, Miro, Robo or whomever. I really think wearing the C is overrated if your team is veteran enough because just like Pavs he was C2 even thou he wasn’t wearing the C
Thanks Johnny. It means a lot, even if it's totally untrue.
I still have some side glare at Winnipeg. They're not a super threatening shot or chance generation team, and they're actively poor on the rush. To me the big difference is that Connor Hellebuyck will likely exorcise his "playoff demons." Which is a narrative I don't buy to begin with. Not when you look at his history one by one, and in detail.
>I know fans like to think about the “hometown discount” but what job would you be willing to make less money on for the sake of vibes?
People do this all the time! Quality of life considerations, workload, non-work amenities, family/friends near by, traffic, interests, future potential, etc. There are all kinds of reasons that people could and frequently do take less money for a job when they could take more elsewhere.
Absolutely. Especially in America where all I really need/want is good health insurance. Everything else is gravy.
My thing is less with the idea (hence the follow up sentence) and more with the narrative that kind of rubs me the wrong way: that players should take less to help the team. You see this crap all the time in Toronto. Players should be paid what they're worth. Full stop. That's it. If they want less, good for them. If they want more, good for them assuming they're worth it. I just don't like how bad GMing (poor contracts) has created a situation where this is a common ask to begin with.
What you can do, and what Dallas has done well, is create a culture that makes players fulfilled enough that money is NOT the sole reason for playing. I certainly hope Duchene feels that way. Not just for Dallas' sake but for his. But he just scored 80+ points. I wouldn't begrudge him at all if someone gave him a six million per, two year contract. Just saying.
Joel Hanley was such a key piece to some strong Dallas Joels teams, but really he was worth keeping for his calves alone. Serious calf size above replacement.
I haven't looked at the cap situation yet to see how feasible it is to keep Duchene but aside from that, isn't he still cashing checks from Nashville? As long as his salary is subsidized, I think he's the type who will actually take under market for the vibes.
Edit to add: Also cap related, Benn will be eligible for the same type of incentive heavy contract that Pavs took a year at time towards the end there, so he can fit into any cap space above NHL minimum.
And good point about Benn's next contract. Personally, I would still rather see Dallas kind of just move on. The best argument for Benn, though, is that Dallas doesn't exactly have left wing depth. Although Blumel looks like a solid piece if they sign him.
"I think he's the type who will actually take under market for the vibes.'
So many fans think THIS player will take less money for THIS team then get angry when the player does what 99% of players do and what 99.9% of us would do.....which is take the money.
He's been underpaid for the last 2 years relative to what he could have been making. Yes, he also got the residual from Nashville but that doesn't change his actual salary. With his current age and production he can definitely ink one final big money deal and thinking he won't bc "vibes" is, IMO, not realistic.
I think the argument for a sweetheart contract makes logical sense given his unique situation as Shelly pointed out below. Where Duchene breaks the mold here is in the fact that he's about to have the second-best season of his career in terms of production. It's absurd that he's over 80 points. On the other hand, Duchene is unique in another regard: the league doesn't think super highly of him. Never underestimate the power that the old boy's club wields. When Patrick Roy got out of pocket and publicly lambasted him, other GMs took notice, which is likely why he ended up bouncing around. I'm rambling but Duchene is a strange case.
I'd be more interested in reading about this "old boy's club" bc the NHL certainly FEELS like the most ignorant group of backwater tough guys. From the plethora of former low-talent, high-thug goons occupying (for example) high positions of league discipline to troglodytes like Don Cherry being the biggest voice in Canadian hockey the NHL is its own worst enemy in terms of modernizing the sport.
THAT'S an article I'd love to read about bc I feel it's a huge, massive issue and the vast majority of those covering the NHL not only don't comment much on it, they often encourage it.
It's a sports culture thing, combine the generational insulation of the old boys club, with the new money gambling craze, and it's a recipe for dumbasses.
There's lessons to be learned from the Benn era and I personally appreciate the sportsmanship he's shown in tailoring fighting out the the Stars game. It's an easy well to run to, but you can drown in that shit like the Cotton Kings did up in Lubbock.
Progress is a slow churning machine, and given the last time Lubbock showed up on the national scene (hockey wise atleast) they made a shameful fool of themselves and got alot of lessons to learn. Just ask Biz Nasty.
I'm looking forward to these playoffs as a retrospective of the Benn-Seguin era & flourishing of the future for Dallas Stars Hockey.
No matter the outcome, there's a plethora of amazing hockey story's to be told these playoffs.
Nashville's buyout cash may not change his salary but it does change his total comp, it's a different situation to expecting someone to take under market for really real. Plus he's already done it. Listen to his interview on Spittin' Chiclets; he's a pretty vibes oriented guy.
My thoughts on Benn - I think he’s been great throughout his time with Dallas. There have been years wasted by Jim Nill not addressing needs and that has cost this team success/cups. To put that on Jamie is ridiculous.
David, I want you to know that day in day out you have the best Stars/NHL blog of any I have read. I just had to remind you about the Jets! Hehe. Looking at anybody else for captain is just speculating as long as Benn s on the team. When he is gone will it be Johnston, Miro, Robo or whomever. I really think wearing the C is overrated if your team is veteran enough because just like Pavs he was C2 even thou he wasn’t wearing the C
Thanks Johnny. It means a lot, even if it's totally untrue.
I still have some side glare at Winnipeg. They're not a super threatening shot or chance generation team, and they're actively poor on the rush. To me the big difference is that Connor Hellebuyck will likely exorcise his "playoff demons." Which is a narrative I don't buy to begin with. Not when you look at his history one by one, and in detail.
And agreed about captaincy.
I still kinda think Pavs was really C1.
>I know fans like to think about the “hometown discount” but what job would you be willing to make less money on for the sake of vibes?
People do this all the time! Quality of life considerations, workload, non-work amenities, family/friends near by, traffic, interests, future potential, etc. There are all kinds of reasons that people could and frequently do take less money for a job when they could take more elsewhere.
Absolutely. Especially in America where all I really need/want is good health insurance. Everything else is gravy.
My thing is less with the idea (hence the follow up sentence) and more with the narrative that kind of rubs me the wrong way: that players should take less to help the team. You see this crap all the time in Toronto. Players should be paid what they're worth. Full stop. That's it. If they want less, good for them. If they want more, good for them assuming they're worth it. I just don't like how bad GMing (poor contracts) has created a situation where this is a common ask to begin with.
What you can do, and what Dallas has done well, is create a culture that makes players fulfilled enough that money is NOT the sole reason for playing. I certainly hope Duchene feels that way. Not just for Dallas' sake but for his. But he just scored 80+ points. I wouldn't begrudge him at all if someone gave him a six million per, two year contract. Just saying.
Joel Hanley was such a key piece to some strong Dallas Joels teams, but really he was worth keeping for his calves alone. Serious calf size above replacement.
I haven't looked at the cap situation yet to see how feasible it is to keep Duchene but aside from that, isn't he still cashing checks from Nashville? As long as his salary is subsidized, I think he's the type who will actually take under market for the vibes.
Edit to add: Also cap related, Benn will be eligible for the same type of incentive heavy contract that Pavs took a year at time towards the end there, so he can fit into any cap space above NHL minimum.
lol Calf size above replacement.
And good point about Benn's next contract. Personally, I would still rather see Dallas kind of just move on. The best argument for Benn, though, is that Dallas doesn't exactly have left wing depth. Although Blumel looks like a solid piece if they sign him.
"I think he's the type who will actually take under market for the vibes.'
So many fans think THIS player will take less money for THIS team then get angry when the player does what 99% of players do and what 99.9% of us would do.....which is take the money.
He's been underpaid for the last 2 years relative to what he could have been making. Yes, he also got the residual from Nashville but that doesn't change his actual salary. With his current age and production he can definitely ink one final big money deal and thinking he won't bc "vibes" is, IMO, not realistic.
I think the argument for a sweetheart contract makes logical sense given his unique situation as Shelly pointed out below. Where Duchene breaks the mold here is in the fact that he's about to have the second-best season of his career in terms of production. It's absurd that he's over 80 points. On the other hand, Duchene is unique in another regard: the league doesn't think super highly of him. Never underestimate the power that the old boy's club wields. When Patrick Roy got out of pocket and publicly lambasted him, other GMs took notice, which is likely why he ended up bouncing around. I'm rambling but Duchene is a strange case.
I'll believe it when I see it.
I'd be more interested in reading about this "old boy's club" bc the NHL certainly FEELS like the most ignorant group of backwater tough guys. From the plethora of former low-talent, high-thug goons occupying (for example) high positions of league discipline to troglodytes like Don Cherry being the biggest voice in Canadian hockey the NHL is its own worst enemy in terms of modernizing the sport.
THAT'S an article I'd love to read about bc I feel it's a huge, massive issue and the vast majority of those covering the NHL not only don't comment much on it, they often encourage it.
It's a sports culture thing, combine the generational insulation of the old boys club, with the new money gambling craze, and it's a recipe for dumbasses.
There's lessons to be learned from the Benn era and I personally appreciate the sportsmanship he's shown in tailoring fighting out the the Stars game. It's an easy well to run to, but you can drown in that shit like the Cotton Kings did up in Lubbock.
Progress is a slow churning machine, and given the last time Lubbock showed up on the national scene (hockey wise atleast) they made a shameful fool of themselves and got alot of lessons to learn. Just ask Biz Nasty.
I'm looking forward to these playoffs as a retrospective of the Benn-Seguin era & flourishing of the future for Dallas Stars Hockey.
No matter the outcome, there's a plethora of amazing hockey story's to be told these playoffs.
Nashville's buyout cash may not change his salary but it does change his total comp, it's a different situation to expecting someone to take under market for really real. Plus he's already done it. Listen to his interview on Spittin' Chiclets; he's a pretty vibes oriented guy.
My thoughts on Benn - I think he’s been great throughout his time with Dallas. There have been years wasted by Jim Nill not addressing needs and that has cost this team success/cups. To put that on Jamie is ridiculous.
Fin-lined! Make it so.
If we're talking Euro signings for defenseman, I will once again bang the drum for Johnathan Pudas of Sklefftea.
(🥁now back into the attic with rest of the x-mas decorations🥁)